In your opinion, is it wrong to stray from specified guidelines within a path? I personally don't think it's wrong to follow wherever your heart tells you to go with respect to spiritual faith. IMO, spirituality isn't dependent upon anyone else's ok but yours and that of whatever being(s) you worship. However, religion, as defined by people in that religion, is a different beast. A religion can say via its holy writings or commonly-understood tenets that it's wrong for you to worship other gods/practice certain rituals, etc. Whether they are right or not is up to anyone to decide for themselves. So, essentially I don't think that it's wrong to step outside one faith and take practices from another, but the participants of the faiths in question might have a different opinion.
Will doing so tarnish a given practice? I don't really believe that any practice can be 'tarnished'. I mean, perhaps from other peoples' points of view it can be done inauthentically or in a way that misses the deeper meaning, or it can be done disrespectfully and without gravity, but.... None of those things damage the practice's inherent worth. Now, if we're talking something where it's a group worship, then of course someone being a disrespectful butthead can ruin the ritual for you (that person who talks all through church, or that person who never remembers their lines for rituals), but it doesn't inherently weaken the practice itself, only your perception of it, and only because that person is distracting you.
Will doing so show disrespect to those that have "done the work"? ...how? And "done the work" for WHAT? How to bring you closer to the divine? How to gain some supernatural benefits (energy work, prayer, rituals)? No amount of other folks 'doing the work' will bring you closer to the divine without you putting in effort yourself. Likewise, if you change how you DO your prayer/ritual, then if you're actually doing it wrong, won't it NOT work? If it still does, then how can the changes be wrong? I don't see that as disrespectful except in the sense that you aren't taking what those elders have done and said as gospel.
I can see how someone might feel slighted, might feel like someone is saying that their religion isn't good enough and thus this this and this needs to be added to it, but to be honest, I find that a little childish. I'm of the opinion that if you think that your religion/practice is the One True Way, that it is perfect and can't be improved upon by adding anything or thinking differently about something...then if someone wants to switch things up, you've got nothing to worry about, right? Obviously, if your way is so much better than their way, they'll figure that out, right?
Also, the idea that changing something is disrespectful to those that have gone before irks me because it assumes that the elders' reputations/experiences/teachings are more important than the actual purpose/utility of the practice/faith (ie, "yes, yes, maybe that worked for you/you talked to Athena/you met your spirit animal, but YOU DIDN'T DO IT THE WAY I TOLD YOU TO, YOU UNGRATEFUL CUR, I DON'T CARE IF IT WORKED, IT'S STILL WRONG".) Personally, I'd PREFER to "do the work" myself than have something handed to me, pre-packaged, one-size-fits-all, "no, don't worry about anything, just do things the way we all do them!" and all. I'd feel a bit better if more people actually experimented with their religious faith, rather than taking other folks' word for it.
Should we adhere to the rules? In a global spiritual sense, I say there are no rules but 'follow your heart'. In a religious sense, yeah, most of them want you to adhere to their rules.
Conversely, does holding onto the traditions from maybe thousands of years in the past keep us from moving forward? Should we take what we like, what is of use, and discard the rest? Yes and no. I think the answer has to depend on what part of tradition we're talking about. I think we have to hold onto traditions that help more people than they hurt. On the one hand, many ancient faiths had no problem with slavery, or with women being worth less than men, or many other examples, and I'm glad to see those 'traditions' gone: they hurt more people than they helped. Every tradition that I see, I always want to ask, "but WHY is that wrong?" If someone can't give me a good reason other than "because our holy book/priests/leaders say so", then it's a dispensible tradition, imo. If I ask, "but why shouldn't I steal?", then "because I say so" is a bad reason, while "because it is unfair to the person your stealing from and it will make them sad" are good reasons.
"Because I/he/she says so" is ALWAYS a bad reason. For everything. ;P
On the other hand, I think that spirituality draws from that feeling of safety and stability that tradition brings, and we could cut off our nose to spite our face if we throw ALL of tradition out on its ear. And sometimes religious tradition has some good, but unpopular ideas. For instance, I think that lives devoted to divinity (full-time priests/priestesses/hermits) can be wonderful things, but they're not really popular career choices. But tossing out the possibility would cut people off from a viable road to become closer to divinity, and that would be a loss, imo.
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Date: 2009-06-13 07:17 pm (UTC)I personally don't think it's wrong to follow wherever your heart tells you to go with respect to spiritual faith. IMO, spirituality isn't dependent upon anyone else's ok but yours and that of whatever being(s) you worship. However, religion, as defined by people in that religion, is a different beast. A religion can say via its holy writings or commonly-understood tenets that it's wrong for you to worship other gods/practice certain rituals, etc. Whether they are right or not is up to anyone to decide for themselves. So, essentially I don't think that it's wrong to step outside one faith and take practices from another, but the participants of the faiths in question might have a different opinion.
Will doing so tarnish a given practice?
I don't really believe that any practice can be 'tarnished'. I mean, perhaps from other peoples' points of view it can be done inauthentically or in a way that misses the deeper meaning, or it can be done disrespectfully and without gravity, but.... None of those things damage the practice's inherent worth. Now, if we're talking something where it's a group worship, then of course someone being a disrespectful butthead can ruin the ritual for you (that person who talks all through church, or that person who never remembers their lines for rituals), but it doesn't inherently weaken the practice itself, only your perception of it, and only because that person is distracting you.
Will doing so show disrespect to those that have "done the work"?
...how? And "done the work" for WHAT? How to bring you closer to the divine? How to gain some supernatural benefits (energy work, prayer, rituals)? No amount of other folks 'doing the work' will bring you closer to the divine without you putting in effort yourself. Likewise, if you change how you DO your prayer/ritual, then if you're actually doing it wrong, won't it NOT work? If it still does, then how can the changes be wrong? I don't see that as disrespectful except in the sense that you aren't taking what those elders have done and said as gospel.
I can see how someone might feel slighted, might feel like someone is saying that their religion isn't good enough and thus this this and this needs to be added to it, but to be honest, I find that a little childish. I'm of the opinion that if you think that your religion/practice is the One True Way, that it is perfect and can't be improved upon by adding anything or thinking differently about something...then if someone wants to switch things up, you've got nothing to worry about, right? Obviously, if your way is so much better than their way, they'll figure that out, right?
Also, the idea that changing something is disrespectful to those that have gone before irks me because it assumes that the elders' reputations/experiences/teachings are more important than the actual purpose/utility of the practice/faith (ie, "yes, yes, maybe that worked for you/you talked to Athena/you met your spirit animal, but YOU DIDN'T DO IT THE WAY I TOLD YOU TO, YOU UNGRATEFUL CUR, I DON'T CARE IF IT WORKED, IT'S STILL WRONG".) Personally, I'd PREFER to "do the work" myself than have something handed to me, pre-packaged, one-size-fits-all, "no, don't worry about anything, just do things the way we all do them!" and all. I'd feel a bit better if more people actually experimented with their religious faith, rather than taking other folks' word for it.
Should we adhere to the rules?
In a global spiritual sense, I say there are no rules but 'follow your heart'. In a religious sense, yeah, most of them want you to adhere to their rules.
Conversely, does holding onto the traditions from maybe thousands of years in the past keep us from moving forward? Should we take what we like, what is of use, and discard the rest?
Yes and no. I think the answer has to depend on what part of tradition we're talking about. I think we have to hold onto traditions that help more people than they hurt. On the one hand, many ancient faiths had no problem with slavery, or with women being worth less than men, or many other examples, and I'm glad to see those 'traditions' gone: they hurt more people than they helped. Every tradition that I see, I always want to ask, "but WHY is that wrong?" If someone can't give me a good reason other than "because our holy book/priests/leaders say so", then it's a dispensible tradition, imo. If I ask, "but why shouldn't I steal?", then "because I say so" is a bad reason, while "because it is unfair to the person your stealing from and it will make them sad" are good reasons.
"Because I/he/she says so" is ALWAYS a bad reason. For everything. ;P
On the other hand, I think that spirituality draws from that feeling of safety and stability that tradition brings, and we could cut off our nose to spite our face if we throw ALL of tradition out on its ear. And sometimes religious tradition has some good, but unpopular ideas. For instance, I think that lives devoted to divinity (full-time priests/priestesses/hermits) can be wonderful things, but they're not really popular career choices. But tossing out the possibility would cut people off from a viable road to become closer to divinity, and that would be a loss, imo.